Don't understand this at all Rach. Are you saying that we should not pick our best side in order to investigate alternatives? Perhaps we can convince West Indies to drop Chanderpaul so they can investigate their alternatives!!

I'm with you on preparing for the 20/20 and IMO the entire squad should have been based around this; after all the 20 over world cup is in 3 months, the next 50 over world cup in over 3 years. I do not however accept that Panesar should not be in the 20/20 team; look at the most successful bowlers in the competition this year, mostly spinners.

I should also point out that I'm not especially anti Yardy; its not against the rules to play 2 spinners and hopefully he can do something with the bat.

I guess we come back to our basic argument of should we pick bowlers who can't bat. Surely you pick the best bowlers on their bowling ability alone; we dont drop batsman because they can't bowl do we?

Prior goes for 52, a good effort compared to the rest of the top order. Collingwood in now to hopefully rescue us (again). Must be said though, that the bowling selections and subsequent runaway final overs for the Windies are more responsible for that!

Raining now with England on 153-5 after 33 overs, and surely a long way behind on D/L (if that comes into play).

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Well, it didn't come to Duckworth-Lewis: West Indies beat England by 61 runs. Well done to them. I've not followed the match at all today, but the Cricinfo commentary reads as poorly as ever for England in one-day games. Seems to me that they really don't have much of a clue how to play the short version of the game. Hey-ho! Decider on Saturday at Trent Bridge.

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Oh well a typically poor performance by England again.

Why arent we able to bat in ODI's?

And why do the selectors seem unable to pick the right bowling attack.?

We should only play 1 of Anderson, Sidebottom and Broad. We should never play Yardy (he's barely better than Dalrymple!). The captain and coach sould realise that we are batting no better than in the World Cup. With Bell and Cook in the top 3 we are never going to be able to get off to flying starts and more than likely get bogged down.

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Yep it's years now rather than months since any notable success.

Because they mix test players with one day players, England need a specialist one day side - not just a seperate captain.

It's even dragging Pietersens form down, even he has done nothing of note since the first couple of tests - he will get the same label as Flintoff, and probably fall down the same hole.

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Its another failure. How often do we need to drop our best players before we realise that it does not work. You really must pick your best side. We have finally got a left armer who can really bowl and yet he gets dropped which must be an outragers situation. No other side would do it IMO.Can you really see Sri Lanka dropping Muralli or Aussie dropping Warne 0r NZ droppig Vetorri.

An absolute joke. The coaching staff need to take a long hard look at them selves.,

To my reckoning, the major variables that contributed to England's defeat were: Chanderpaul is in a purple patch and difficult to remove by any England bowler; the wicket was slow which might have suited Panesar had he played; the constant rain delays and threat of the game being decided by D/L affected the batting.

Let's face it, England need to have everything in their favour to win ODIs because they aren't a good enough side to overcome non-favourable conditions. This was one of those days where the variables were too much to overcome.

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I think Moores has one eye on the upcoming Test series against India. The bowlers he rested will probably participate in that series. These days the workload of players is carefully managed. England need to develop more depth to stay competitive when key players are resting.

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We have an absolute gem in Panesar IMO. I can not believe we ever put a side out when he doesnt play. A real joke. Perhaps the management has to have a look. We really have to pick him