Please put your pre match, and match coments here please.

Do these one dayers like the tests before them, tell us anything about what will be the make up of the England side to play India?.

Can the West Indies produce their fighting 2020 form?, if so can they beat England in this one day series?, if they gel IMO they can.

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Ern

You are very eager.

The game is on the 4th!!

I'll change the thread title to reflect that.

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Ern, I think the Test side is settled and I can't see any changes for the series against India. Shah looks like he would be next in line if a batsman gets injured.

Not sure Broad won't get included, that apart I wonder if England will keep there one day form?, I don't think Bell - Anderson - Plunkett - Panesar are really one day players, I would have kept Yardy.

Andersen and Plaunkett are a bit expensive for one day cricket, and Bell as a rule has not got the right tempo IMO.

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Yet they were (Panesar largely excepted) players who had a big hand behind Paul Collingwood in us winning the CB Series, which you hold up in Flintoff's defence at the drop of a hat. Plunkett routinely got Gilchrist during that series and dismissed the other Aussie and NZ top order batsmen to boot. Anderson is a fine ODI bowler when he doesn't bowl short as he finds excellent swing and seam movement, and Bell routinely holds the English innings together much like Kallis or Dravid. Those three players have had a big hand in our finest recent ODI performances, and all three were instrumental on Sunday - Bell outpaced Pietersen and if that's not a high enough tempo I don't know what is!

For the record I'd keep the same team as it is a winning one, but Cook will have to open his shoulders first up and not be afraid to have a few swings:

Cook, Prior+, Bell, Pietersen, Shah, Collingwood*, Mascarenhas, Plunkett, Broad, Anderson, Panesar.

Well Flintoff did captain England to win the CB series, once Vaughan had left the scene.

Plunkett did play well (as did Mahmood), both expensive, but got wickets.
I think both Plunkett and Anderson should be groomed as test players, the same with Mahmood, but I would not trust either Plunkett or Mahmood to bowl at the death in a ODI, unless it was at the tail.
Well he has been critisised for being slow, he may have outscored Pietersen once, but I think that will be the highlight of his one day career.

I can't argue (yet) against your first point, time will tell if you are right.

As for Cook you say it all, if he does not open his shoulders up in ODI's, they he obviously does not want to, or is not able.

To force his to play against his nature - will IMO ruin his test career, I fear the same for Plunkett - Anderson and mahmood (when he returns), if they get carted in one day cricket - they will dissapear.

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Here are some other young bowlers Ern -
15 ODI's 28 wickets at 24.46 econ 5.54 s/r 26.46 - Tait (24)
38 ODI's 57 wickets at 24.94 econ 4.81 s/r 31.07 - Malinga (23)
73 ODI's 115 wickets at 25.91 econ 5.02 s/r 32.91 - Pathan (22)
30 ODI's 39 wickets at 27.02 econ 4.60 s/r 35.23 - Gul (24)
67 ODI's 96 wickets at 27.41 econ 4.76 s/r 34.54 - Anderson (24)
18 ODI's 26 wickets at 27.88 econ 5.33 s/r 31/38 - Johnson (25)
35 ODI's 49 wickets at 29.69 econ 4.86 s/r 36.65 - Taylor (23)
68 ODI's 90 wickets at 30.02 econ 4.63 s/r 38.86 - Mortaza (23)
22 ODI's 26 wickets at 30.80 econ 4.54 s/r 40.65 - Patel (23)
23 ODI's 26 wickets at 32.26 econ 4.67 s/r 41.42 - Edwards (25)
28 ODI's 31 wickets at 34.32 econ 4.61 s/r 44.61 - Asif (24)
29 ODIs 38 wickets at 34.94 econ 5.66 s/r 37.02 - Sreesanth (24)
26 ODI's 34 wickets at 35.32 econ 5.85 s/r 36.20 - Plunkett (22)
25 ODI's 29 wickets at 38.89 econ 5.85 s/r 39.82 - Mahmood (25)

...and all those players you've criticised 'played' us to winning the CB Series, so if it's good enough to support Flintoff's captaincy skills then it's good enough to support Bell, Plunkett and especially Anderson as good one day players. There can be no double standards here, and I'm sure you aren't wanting to apply any.

The game is underway and here are the teams:

England: Cook, Prior+, Bell, Pietersen, Shah, Collingwood*, Mascarenhas, Yardy, Broad, Sidebottom, Anderson.

West Indies: Gayle*, Devon Smith, Morton, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Ramdin+, Dwayne Smith, Rampaul, Powell, Edwards.

Very harsh on Plunkett after his 2-38 from 10 overs on Sunday, clearly Panesar has been dropped for Yardy to boost the batting as Plunkett far outsrips Sidebottom in that respect!

Windies 15/0 after 3 overs, Sidebottom uncharacteristically starting with 5 wides and then another wide in his first two balls, but he and Anderson seem to be bowling well overall so far.