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Old 04-09-2007, 03:46 PM
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India when Ian Bell came to the crease there where bad words said about him tryin to unsettle him and they did the same to Kevin Pietersen (D.Karthik and Y.Singh) wot should of been done??
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If they were genuine insulting or swear words (which they probably were; I don't think that Karthik was offering to buy Bell a drink after the game ) the players involved should be severely reprimanded, say a heavy fine and a one match ban. But the problem is that even with stump cameras and lipreading, it is usually very hard to prove that the offender was actually breaching the acceptable limit; he'll probably claim that he was admiring the cut of the victim's T-shirt and no one can prove otherwise.

There is often a bit of Tit-for-Tat involved here, certainly in the two players you mentioned. Karthik actually complained to the umpire that Prior and the others were deliberatly distracting him while batting - there was some truth in it. With Khan of course, there is the infamous Jelligate affair.
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I think England never seem to be as competitive as other countries, E.G. South Africa, Australia and now India. Some of the stuff going on last Thursday when Bell and Pietersen came in appeared to be out of order. You never hear England's players complain after a game though. When India were batting, we didn't hear or see anything from England. Do England do it more subtly than the other countries? I didn't see the last game, but I assume by this thread it happened again. It always seems as though other countries get away with it against England.
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When India were batting, we didn't hear or see anything from England.
The Kathik incident was well documented on TV; was in one of the tests, but I have forgotten the details.

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Do England do it more subtly than the other countries? I didn't see the last game, but I assume by this thread it happened again. It always seems as though other countries get away with it against England.
Not really. Some years ago, when Flintoff was young and hot-blooded, he repeatedly and severely sledged and abused SS Das, a particulary mild-mannered and diminutive Indian opener with no provocation whatsoever other than that the little batsmen hit Flintoff for a couple of boundaries. There are many people in India - including my wife's cousin - who has this incident on tape; the sequence of events are so blatantly obvious that even the most patriotic (and patronising, if I maight add) English cricket fan will find hard to deny the facts. It might have been just coincidence, but soon afterwards Das suffered a complete loss of confidence and his career (which was admittedly not setting anything on fire) completely disintegrated.

When questioned about it in the post-match interview, Flintoff was singularly unapologetic and commented "I am not worried about him; I have his number"; whatever that meant.

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Old 05-09-2007, 09:07 AM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "The Kathik incident was well documented..."
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There have been abuses from both sides. Prior very proudly announced his intentions and deeds on television saying that the 11 players must do what ever they can to unsettle the batsman. The coach supported Prior and even suggested that the stump mics should be removed so that the players can abuse each other.
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