Twenty20 World Cup Thread

[Maranello]

Its very simple Nostromo - any two of India, NZL and SA can qualify. Basically, India need to beat SA for that to happen - it will come down to NRR between the three teams.

In fact, as you say, India's NRR is already better than NZL. Hence, if India beats SA tomorrow, India go through regardless, and NRR would decide one of SA and NZL.

[Nostromo]

What you are saying sounds logical Maranello, but I clearly recall that some commentators yesterday were saying that NZ have already qualified irrespective of the SA match result. Is it because NZ have beaten India in the Super 8s and so the latter cannot go through at the Kiwi's expense irrespective of NRR? In that case, the same principle sould apply if India beat SA tomorrow but fail to match their NRR; how can SA then go through at India's expense?

[Maranello]

I am afraid a lot of TV commentators have talked an awful lot of rubbish this tournament, Nostromo. With the honourable exception of Chappelli, the analysis and the commentary has been poor. They have had little tactical insight, and even missed basic trends in the game they are supposed to be describing. I won't be surprised if they had been instructed to 'dumb-down', and only 'ooh' and 'aah' at the 'big hits' to target the imbecilic niche; either that, or they are all being unprofessional.

But no, head to head results are irrelevant according to Cricinfo; its net run rates that decides in case of teams tied on points.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by Maranello

But no, head to head results are irrelevant according to Cricinfo; its net run rates that decides in case of teams tied on points.

In that case, am I right in thinking that all India have to do is to defeat South Africa in order to qualify? Since their NRR is already better than that of NZ, they can only improve further over the Kiwis if they beat SA. So, unless SA lose very badly to India or India lose to SA, NZ will get pushed out...right?

[Maranello]

Yep, that's correct:

Originally Posted by Maranello

India's NRR is already better than NZL. Hence, if India beats SA tomorrow, India go through regardless, and NRR would decide one of SA and NZL.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

Since their [India's] NRR is already better than that of NZ, they can only improve further over the Kiwis if they beat SA.

Hi, just one small clarification - India's NRR is currently 0.20, whilst NZL is on 0.05. If say India score 200 runs, and SA manages 199 runs tomorrow, India will go through - but India's NRR, in absolute terms will not improve, and will in fact come down to 0.15 - however, that's still better than the Kiwis, so India are safe, but just thought I'd clarify the arithmetical point

[gibbs_fan]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

In that case, am I right in thinking that all India have to do is to defeat South Africa in order to qualify? Since their NRR is already better than that of NZ, they can only improve further over the Kiwis if they beat SA. So, unless SA lose very badly to India or India lose to SA, NZ will get pushed out...right?

Yes Nostromo, you are correct. If India beat SA, they will not only go through but they will probably top the group which means that they will run into Australia. I have not quite worked out the permutations but as long as SA do not lose to hard, they will e safe and they will then face Pakistan. I would like to see India and SA go through so I will be backing India today. I would also like to see SA finish 2nd, so that we dont play Aus again in a semi final.

Oh I dont believe Sri Lanka can beat Australia. Exciting games today.

PS: England are out after losing all their games but at least Collingwood enjoyed himself

[greg]

Fantastic Yuvraj,a joy to watch even if it was a little painful being English.

I will be supporting India and Sri Lanka today hoping that Australia and South Africa are eliminated.

[gibbs_fan]

Sri Lanka are already 2 down after only 2 overs. Australia really look fired up for this match. Can Jayawardene play a captains knock

Edit: Jayawardene out as well. Sri Lanka getting murdered

[English_Al]

I'm with you Greg but I'm afraid the Aussies look like they're going nowhere. Sri Lanka have crumbled, partly the conditions and partly good bowling, what a bugger.