How Good An Umpire Is Aleem Darr?

[rumman_abbasi]

I personally don't think he's capable enough to be officiating international matches. He lacks the
emotional intelligence required at this level (a trait deficiency common in all Asian umpires).
Having said that, I feel he's perhaps the best umpire Pakistan has produced. Much, much better than
Khizar Hayat, Mehboob Shah, Athar Zaidi, Nazir Junior and company.

[imaginarydiva]

Originally Posted by rumman_abbasi

emotional intelligence required at this level (a trait deficiency common in all Asian umpires).

Hey i think thats so untrue.Srinivivas Venkataraghavan was a fantastic umpire and he was 100% asian.

[Shaka]

Are you serious? Dar is an excellent umpire, the dodgy one on the current ICC approved list is Nadeem Ghauri. No idea why he was promoted. Pakistan currently has two very good umpires, along with Dar, Asad Rauf is also top class. IMO the test of an umpire is when officiating at home and they are put under pressure to give a verdict for the home team. Rauf and Dar have both stood rock solid in these situations in the past.

[Andy Mellon]

Originally Posted by Shaka

the test of an umpire is when officiating at home and they are put under pressure to give a verdict for the home team.

I thought that umpires were no longer allowed to officiate in matches involving their home team - to prevent the type of pressure of which you speak. In my opinion, Dar is fine. He may not be the best umpire, but he deserves his place at the top table. I have to say I've never heard of Asad Rauf! Are there any good up-and-coming young umpires in Pakistan to rival Simon Taufel as the umpire for the next 25-30 years?

[adeel_r]

Aleem Daar may not be the best but he is not the worst by far in the ICC elite panel of monkeys.As for vengat he became a laughing stock by the end of his career;the number of mistakes he was making was unbelieveable only a die hard indian would say otherwise.I guess with old age all umpires go bonkers a prime example being shepperd.As for the emotional intelligence thing rumman, please keep ur newly acquired misinformation abt pshychology to urself,it is yet to be proved if there is a correlation between umpiring and eq.Typical to critize the asians when the "goras" are no better if not worse.

[Shaka]

Originally Posted by Andy Mellon

I thought that umpires were no longer allowed to officiate in matches involving their home team - to prevent the type of pressure of which you speak. In my opinion, Dar is fine. He may not be the best umpire, but he deserves his place at the top table. I have to say I've never heard of Asad Rauf! Are there any good up-and-coming young umpires in Pakistan to rival Simon Taufel as the umpire for the next 25-30 years?

In the ODI's it's only recently we have had neutral umpires at both ends. Aleem Dar and Asad Rauf have passed the test with flying colours, these are the two who I would put forward to rival Taufel (who is IMO out on his own as the best right now). Nadeem Ghauri is not so good and will prove a let down and shouldn't have been elected to the Elite panel. I hope he proves me wrong but from what I've seen I doubt it.

[Maranello]

Minor correction Andy and Shaka - for Tests, both umpires must be from the Elite Panel (the top 8 or so) for Tests, and neutral.

For ODI, there is a separate Elite Panel, of around 20 or so umpires, which is below the Test panel. All ODIs must have at least one neutral umpire, the other is generally a local umpire, and both are from the ODI Panel, not the Test Elite Panel.

Hope that clarifies?

[Maranello]

I am not so sure about the emotional intelligence thing. {a} it is a gross generalisation that Asians do not have it, and like most generalisations, palbably unfair.... {b} it has never been identified as a core competency for an umpire, either by international captains (who report regularly on this), ex-cricketers in their books or columns, current coaches, administrators, or even anyone from the ICC or its Elite Panels... hence a bit of a red herring I feel.

There are other requirements for being an excellent umpire, age being one of them, judgement being another, knowledge of cricket and its spirit and Laws being a third, probably one that overrides all else IMO... but emotional intelligence? hmmm.... maybe somewhere way down page 11 of the list?

Both Aleem Dar, retirement ages for umpires and other similar topics have been discussed in detail in two previous threads (here and here), please feel free to contribute to those debates too.

[imaginarydiva]

Whoa! OK!LOL;ill only reply to the venkatraghavan part,only cuz the rest of ur statementsarent very pleasant topics,no offense.I agree he started making mistaked TOWARDS THE END but overall he was fine.

[imaginarydiva]

Also;yer right im a die hard indian and pretty proud abt it.Sorry i couldnt stop myself from saying that.