Is The Trend Changing???????

[ahsan32]

Is The Trend Changing?
There was an era in pakistan cricket where we had excellent and really quick fast bowlers like Wasim,Waqar,Aqib,Mohd.Zahid etc;

the main strength of all these bowlers was reverse swing(which helped pakistan in winning many marches).


The Pakistani bowlers have lost this art as far as i can see the things in the last few series.

when indian toured pakistan in 2004 a lot was said about Shoaib and sami and their reverse swinging yorkers but really it did't happen and the result was pakistani loosing the series. after that srilanka toured pakistan and we saw same case with no reverse swing and pakistan eneded up drawing the test series(1-1) thanks to Dansih Kaneria.

now the next seires was pakistan vs india in india and still we saw that pakistani bowlers were unable to reverse swing the ball and we had to depend on the spinners in the team, the trend continued in west indies also where our fast bowlers were hammered in test series.


Now when we see the ashes and see that english bowlers are swinging the ball both ways the conventional way and the reverse swing also,




is the trend changing about this art of bowling

What do u think??????????

[Zainub]

Both Sami and Shoaib do get reverse. Additionally reverse swing or conventional swing or even no swing for that matter, you have to bowl with accuracy to have a decent chance of success. Our bowlers have been guilty of inconsistency. That's why even when they have generated some measure of reverse, batsmen have been able to deal with it.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Zainub

Both Sami and Shoaib do get reverse.

Though sometimes Abdur Razzaq does better than both at that (especially since he is basically an in-cutter/in-swing bowler).

Agree with your other comments though. Apart from Shoaib, the bowlers have lacked the consistency and the application to create pressure and generate wickets. Shoaib's main problem is fitness; when fit, he is still something very special.

[Zainub]

Good reminder about Abdur Razzaq, he does indeed get some reverse swing, and when he does he bowls very well to left handers.

[ahsan32]

no offence to anyone but u need extra pace to bowl reverse and A.Razzaq has lost considerable ammount of pace, what he bowls are cutters or u can call it in dippers which i think are part of conventional swing not reverse swing...

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by ahsan32

no offence to anyone but u need extra pace to bowl reverse

You don't need pace to bowl reverse swing, but yo get it to "go late" as Waqar did, then pace is the key.

You don't have to be express pace to get the ball to reverse, remeber reverse swing was perfected by Sarfraz Nawaz who was not in anyway as fast...

[ahsan32]

Sarfaraz Nawaz must have been quicker than A.Razzaq, i have played some cricket and i know thats it very hard to bowl reverse with out putting in a lot of effort.

[Zainub]

Razzaq isn't quick. That is fact, he's at medium pace usually, but sometimes he can notch up a few paces higher then that, his pace certainly is very deceptive, players who have faced him have admitted he bowls a bit faster then you'd expect him to. What helps him get reverse is the fact that he can bowl and bowl consistenty with an upright seam, giving it the maximum chance to swing.