Shoaib and Asif win appeal

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Dr Shoaib Manjra had the following to say

Who is he - not Shoaib Akhtar's uncle, I hope!

Originally Posted by Wanderer

I don't agree of course. WADA is as toothless as the ICC...

You don't agree with what? With WADA/ICC reinstating the ban? Or you want them to reinstate the ban but don't think they would?

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by Wanderer

I don't agree of course. WADA is as toothless as the ICC...

Once a national board has signed up to WADA it's the national board thar becomes toothless.... and WADA really does call the shots.... and if Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammed Asif had been tested at the ICC-Ct or World cup (both run by the ICC, who are signed up) two year bans would have been automatic and just about impossible to overturn.

As I understand it... Pakistan are in the process of signing up... but haven't yet got their act together to complete the process... and it looks as if top international lawyers vs. Pakistan's pre-WADA anti-doping regulations is no contest.

[Mr Hutt]

I doubt if anyone in the world of cricket has the gumption to come and question the PCB since they carried out then banned their own players then unbanned them. Good laugh for everyone on our account, great reputation enhancer as well..for Pakistani Justice.

If you are ********** please read 0000's joke... that aint a joke thats the world's perspective on our country, and our bungling and corrupt officials are responsible for it.

[Wanderer]

No, I don't think there are any family ties! Dr Shoaib Manjra is the head of the South African Institute for Drugs Free Sport.

Originally Posted by Maranello

You don't agree with what? With WADA/ICC reinstating the ban? Or you want them to reinstate the ban but don't think they would?

I don't think that either WADA or the ICC have the POWER to do anything. Everyone says the ICC or WADA must intervene. Intervene and do WHAT?

WADA can make as much noise as they want (as they did with the Warne-affair 3 years ago and are still doing now), but they can only make recommendations to the ICC. Who it turn will make recommendations to the PCB (or ACB or whomever), who will in turn tell the ICC that this is an "internal matter" and will be handled as such.

[Mr Hutt]

Well to think of this again in a calm non rantin manner

This is Pakistan's attack then
1) Shoaib Akhter
2) Muhammad Asif
First Change
1) Umar Gul
2) Shahid Nazeer
Spin
Kaneria

And then in batting

1) Muhammad Hafeez
2) Imran Farhat
3) Younis Khan
4) Muhammad Yousuf
5) Inzimam
6 Kamran Akmal

Ye gods.. we are a strong team arent we.... i dont think S.A will be very happy right about now. I am getting happier by the minute though!!!!

[Richard Jenkins]

I've got to admit I'm a bit perplexed about this decision, but not really that surprised. And the ICC will just hold an inquest and say it was all Darryl Hairs fault. Again.


Option 1 guilty as charged and they pay the price and take responsibility (Too much money to lose)

Option 2 guilty as charged but they squirm their way out ( seems to be the chosen method in many sports )
Option 3 not guilty and exonerated (again ,does happen)
Option 4 not guilty but condemed falsley (like Diane Modal)
The B sample is rarely wrong.

Cricket needs to wake up to this and to really apply srticter drugs guildlines that can be enforced.

[Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Rachael

..if Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammed Asif had been tested at the ICC-Ct or World cup (both run by the ICC, who are signed up) two year bans would have been automatic and just about impossible to overturn.

Exactly. But Shoaib and Asif weren't. Nor Warne. They were all tested BEFORE these tournament. So, no automatic 2-year bans then?

Originally Posted by Rachael

Once a national board has signed up to WADA it's the national board thar becomes toothless...two year bans would have been automatic and just about impossible to overturn...

Australia is signed up right? Warne got a ONE YEAR ban. And WADA couldn't do a thing about it.

Dick Pound said the following yesterday re the Shane Warne affair: ''Warne was extremely lucky but, at the time, it was not a decision in which WADA had any right to intervene"

So, what has changed since then? What "rights" do WADA have now to intervene? I'm asking because I really would like to know...

[Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Richard Jenkins

Cricket needs to wake up to this and to really apply srticter drugs guildlines that can be enforced.

I think we all agree on that. The million-dollar question is: How? It seems like a good lawyer can get you off on "technicalities" and loopholes and such...

[Richard Jenkins]

Get rid of the loopholes thus


The ICC (or whoever ,perhaps the wada) rules get adopted by all national boards so there are no discrepencies.

A letter , sent by recorded delivery, gets sent to all international players including a detailed list of banned substances and suppliments , together with the consequences (fines, bans) and the players have to send a letter back stating that they have read and understood the letter.

Any player who gets tested positive after deserves to get banned or fined.


At the moment nandrolone seems to be the drug of choice for testing discrepencies .

There's a bit here http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1...n98/jan11.html at the end which talks about nadrolone.

Anyone know what level of nandalone was found in the tests?

[DomainK]

I think the players were well informed on the drug issues. At least that what PCB made us believe during the first hearing.

Whatever it is, its someone's mistake. How can the PCB so stupuid to put so much efforts to do tests on all players and didnt even bother to inform them on banned substances? If Shoaib and Asif were not infomed even when the PCB is about to sign an agreement with WADA and when PCB has already started testing players, someone made a criminal mistake somewhere. How come the PCB is so aware about drugs and the players are entirely ignorant? IF Shoiab and Asif are not guilty, find out the one who is and punish him.