Pakistan A vs Australia A Thread

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Orchid

I was under the impression that 'Haq' was a surname. I'm pretty sure, Inzi's father and grand father have ul-Haq as their last names?

Is still not a family name or a proper surname. Yes people in Inzamam's family do have ul-Haq as part of their names, but that's not dissimilar to a household having the names Rehan, Salman, Imran and Rizwan - yes they all end in an, but that's not a surname! ul-Haq similarly is a meaningless suffix on its own, and needs to be join with a proper noun (eg Ikram-ul-Haq, Ibtisam-ul-Haq, Ihsan-ul-Haq, Riaz-ul-Haq, Abrar-ul-Haq, Abdul-Haq, etc) for it to be considered a word, let alone a name.

Originally Posted by Orchid

Is that naormal in Mid-Eastern countries? I always thought they used bin/ibn and after their fist name and used their father's first name as their last names, like A bin B or something like that.

Naming conventions there vary a lot from country to country and even within countries and tribes, hence very difficult to generalise and there always will be significant exceptions. As far as I know, in Iraq and Syria for instance, the A bin B is rather uncommon amongst general people, and more common is A al-***, the second half referring to a town, a family, a trade or a tribe - all accepted and recognised surnames. In many of the GCC countries, it is A bin B al-**** or A bin B aal-**** is more common, ie a surname as well as the father's name (and in some cases the grandfather's too). And so on. Well-known examples of the former: Zaki al-Yemeni, Abdullah al-Hashemi etc.Well-known examples of the latter: Fahd bin Abdul Azeez aal-Saood, Zayed bin Sultan aal-Nahyan, etc.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Rachael

the WAT grand survery of, and guide to, everything you always wanted to know and were too embarassed to ask

Go on then Rachael, ask away ;-)

[Orchid]

Originally Posted by Maranello

ul-Haq similarly is a meaningless suffix on its own, and needs to be join with a proper noun (eg Ikram-ul-Haq, Ibtisam-ul-Haq, Ihsan-ul-Haq, Riaz-ul-Haq, Abrar-ul-Haq, Abdul-Haq, etc) for it to be considered a word, let alone a name.

Would it then be safe to assume that most of the people who have 'ul-Haq' in their names would be somehow related somewhere in their family trees? I mean, could Zia-ul-Haq be related to Inzi?

Originally Posted by Maranello

As far as I know, in Iraq and Syria for instance, the A bin B is rather uncommon amongst general people, and more common is A al-***, the second half referring to a town, a family, a trade or a tribe - all accepted and recognised surnames. In many of the GCC countries, it is A bin B al-**** or A bin B aal-**** is more common, ie a surname as well as the father's name (and in some cases the grandfather's too).

I am now more confused but thanks.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Orchid

Would it then be safe to assume that most of the people who have 'ul-Haq' in their names would be somehow related somewhere in their family trees? I mean, could Zia-ul-Haq be related to Inzi?

umm..No! Would most people who have "an" at the end of their first names be related? Do all Rehans share the family tree with all Imrans? As ul-Haq is merely part of someone's first name (ie the name given by their parents at birth) and is not an unchangeable family name, anyone literally can have that name, without ever being related to any other ul-Haq. Does that make any sense?

[Captain]

The following players were selected for Austrailia A tour.
Pakistan A squad: Misbah-ul-Haq (captain), Yasir Hameed, Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik, Bazid Khan, Asim Kamal, Zulqarnain Haider, Faisal Iqbal, Yasir Arafat, Mohammad Sami, Mohammad Asif, Umar Gul, Ashar Zaidi, Mohammad Irshad, Imran Tahir --- PCB site.

i am surprised to see Hasan Raza not in here.

[Orchid]

If I think of 'ul-Haq' just as another name maybe it will make sense, but somehow not able to switch 'Haq' from surname mode to first name mode, I guess.

[Zainub]

Since it's Lets be Pedantic week...I don't know why Inzi spells it as H-a-q, some people in my distant family have the same second name and they all spell it as H-a-q-u-e and they don't add ul in between their first names and Haque.

Coming back to topic, Pakistan have announced their A squad, it includes as many as 8 test players, and is led by Missy.

Full squad:
Misbah "Missy" Ulhaque*
Salman "Dettole" Butt (aka Salmanella, or less famously Buttass)
Yasir "OH MY GOD" Hameed
Shoaib "Moon" Malik (aka sorra wonda which is punjabi for good looking lad)
Bazid "Bazza" Khan
Asim "Dopey" Kamal
Zulqarnain "Zuli" Haider +
Imran "Immi" Tahir
Mohammad "Nippy" Sami
Mohammad "WMD" Asif (wmd = weapon of minor destruction)
Umar "Bashful" Gul (aka Sugar and Honey Bun)
Asher "Ash" Zaidi
Yasir "Yeahhh" Arafat
Faisal "Johnny Appleseed" Iqbal
Mohammad "Ishy" Irshad

Stand-Bys:
Shahid "Tubby" Nazir (aka Pie Lover)
Nuamanulla "akb" (akb= allah ka banda which translates as God's own man, locally a term used to reffer to someone with no second name)
Imran "Ugly-ella De Vil" Farhat
Mansoor "Mansoory" Amjad
Shahid "Sy" Yousuf
Yasir "Chemical" Ali
Najaf "Naji" Shah
Mohammad "Khaly" Khalil
Hasan "Jimmy Dear" Raza
Taufiq "Oh no, what have I done!" Umar
Arshad "Baldy" Khan
Rao "wow" Iftikhar

ps: some ...ok I admit...most of the nickname above are my inventions

[Zainub]

For once I am happy he's not there!

He's getting married next week, he'd be available for the second 4 day game though.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Zainub

Since it's Lets be Pedantic week...I don't know why Inzi spells it as H-a-q, some people in my distant family have the same second name and they all spell it as H-a-q-u-e and they don't add ul in between their first names and Haque.

The 'ul' depends entirely on what the first name is, for most first names nad meanings, it is required. If I was being completely honest and untactful, I would say that H-a-q-u-e is a very pretentious way of spelling the simple 'Haq' :-) In most Arabic/English transliteration guides, the common noun haq is spelt the way - have never come across haque except in some Pakistani names.

[Maranello]

Hasan Raza is only a reserve. Shocking, as Captain pointed out elsewhere. He should be leading this side - Misbah really is yesterday's man, selecting him now is merely rewarding him for his domestic performance, but does not achieve much for the national side.

PS: I have merged in Captain's thread announcing the team into this thread.