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| World A-Team Selections 2007 World A Team Selection Threads for 2007 |
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| Thornely/Heal |    | 0 | 0% |
| Thornely/Bailey |    | 0 | 0% |
| McDonald/Heal |    | 2 | 66.67% |
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| Bailey/Heal |    | 0 | 0% |
| Thornely/McDonald |    | 1 | 33.33% |
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| Yes sorry it was 70 Fc matches and 113 wickets White is a batting allrounder he is an ok bowler but nothing great. His batting is what has improved since he was a 17 year old playing for Victoria, his bowling has not improved much at all if not it might have gone down hill with him working on his batting. His batting has improved an amazing amount since his first county season last year. Quite a lot of experience for a young guy White's batting and bowling seasons since his debut in the 2000/01 season. Aus 2006/07 - Eng 2006 (23 years old) Pura Cup: 9 matches Batting: 437 runs at 39.72, hs 150*, 1x100, 2x50. Bowling: 9 wickets at 49.77, bb 2/26 Ford Ranger Cup: 9 matches Batting: 322 runs at 46.00, hs 126*, 1x100, 2x50 Bowling :8 wickets at 37.12, bb 3/41 County Champ: 12 matches Batting: 1190 runs at 59.50, hs 260*, 5x100, 3x50 Bowling: 15 wickets at 48.20, bb 5/148 C&G Cup: 9 matches Batting: 323 runs at 46.14, hs 109*, 1x100, 0x50 Bowling: 8 wickets at 28.50, bb 3-38 Twenty20 Cup: 8 matches Batting: 403 runs at 67.16, hs 141*, 2x100, 1x50 Bowling: 3 wickets at 40.66, bb 1-18 2005/06 (22 years) Pura Cup: 10 matches Batting: 482 runs at 30.12, hs 73, 2x50 Bowling: 15 wickets at 45.60, bb 4/73 ING Cup: 8 matches Batting: 252 runs at 42.00, hs 85, 2x50 Bowling: 8 wickets at 30.62, bb 4-23 2004/05 (21 years) Pura Cup: 9 matches Batting: 465 runs at 31.00, hs 119, 1x100, 1x50 Bowling: 19 wickets at 39.73, bb 4/105 ING Cup: 9 matches Batting: 195 runs at 27.85, hs 61, 1x50 Bowling: 13 wickets at 23.38, bb 4/15 2003/04 (20 years old) Pura Cup: 10 matches Batting: 522 runs at 40.15, hs 78, 5x50 Bowling: 26 wickets at 37.80, bb 4/27 ING Cup: 9 matches Batting: 77 runs at 12.83, hs 37 Bowling: 10 wickets at 36.30, bb 3/25 2002/03 (19 years old) Pura Cup: 9 matches Batting: 241 runs at 20.08, hs 56, 1x50 Bowling: 28 wickets at 25.03, bb 6-66 ING Cup: 8 matches Batting: 76 runs at 15.20, hs 42 Bowling: 4 wickets at 59.00, bb 2/34 2001/02 (18 years old) Pura Cup: 5 matches Batting: 144 runs at 18.00, hs 91, 1x50 Bowling: 7 wickets at 57.85, bb 3-97 ING Cup: 4 matches Batting: 1 run at 0.50, hs 1 Bowling: 1 wicket at 89.00, bb 1/37 2000/2001 (17 years old) Pura Cup : 2 matches Batting: 12 runs at 12.00, hs 11 Bowling: 4 wickets at 34.00, bb 4/65 good years with either bat or ball in red
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26-04-2007, 07:50 AM
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| He's not even in the top 30 batsmen of the year... failing to average 40 in a season in which 5 players averaged over 70 and a further 10 averaged over 50. His main claim to fame appears to be nothing more than being a clean striker of the ball (in the manner of Pollock and other lower order folk) and as yet I've heard no argument to suggest he is capable of countering the sort of high class swing and reverse swing bowling that he'd encounter at Test level. I'm not against his place in the discussions.. and I don't dispute for one moment that he should be in the reckoning... but it sees to me that he needs to either bat like Rogers or Voges or bowl to the level of Johnson and Hilfenhaus in order to be a certainty. Code: 2006-07 Australian First-class Highest Batting Averages Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St Team BJ Hodge 6 11 2 765 153 85.00 52.04 2 5 1 - VIC RT Ponting 6 9 1 627 196 78.37 60.99 2 3 5 - TAS/AUS MJ Clarke 5 7 2 389 135* 77.80 63.04 2 1 2 - AUS MEK Hussey 6 9 2 504 103 72.00 50.65 1 4 6 - WA/AUS CJL Rogers 10 17 0 1202 279 70.70 59.71 3 7 10 - WA SM Katich 7 12 1 711 205* 64.63 50.85 2 3 5 - NSW MG Johnson 3 5 3 118 54 59.00 58.12 - 1 1 - QLD AB McDonald 10 18 5 750 150* 57.69 54.74 1 6 7 - VIC AC Voges 9 14 3 630 152* 57.27 48.95 3 1 11 - WA BJ Haddin 8 15 3 669 139 55.75 73.43 1 4 37 3 NSW DJ Hussey 10 18 1 911 131 53.58 58.92 3 5 13 - VIC MJ Di Venuto 11 20 2 961 181 53.38 62.28 3 5 20 - TAS KP Pietersen 6 11 1 522 158 52.20 49.90 1 3 3 - ENG PD Collingwood 6 11 1 513 206 51.30 44.64 1 2 8 - ENG JL Langer 13 22 3 956 188* 50.31 68.04 3 4 21 - WA/AUS ML Hayden 7 12 1 549 153 49.90 59.80 1 2 12 - QLD/AUS BJ Rohrer 2 4 0 199 163 49.75 50.00 1 - 1 - NSW MG Dighton 8 16 1 723 126 48.20 55.44 2 5 3 - TAS PA Jaques 11 21 0 987 192 47.00 58.23 3 5 8 - NSW NT Adcock 4 8 1 324 95 46.28 50.86 - 3 4 - SOA ML Love 5 9 0 404 186 44.88 60.66 2 1 6 - QLD RA Broad 4 8 1 314 111 44.85 56.07 1 2 5 - QLD BP Cameron 2 4 1 133 51* 44.33 62.73 - 1 - - SOA DS Lehmann 9 17 1 706 136* 44.12 76.99 1 4 1 - SOA A Symonds 5 7 0 305 156 43.57 64.61 1 1 4 - QLD/AUS SK Warne 8 6 1 213 71 42.60 73.95 - 1 8 - VIC/AUS MJ North 10 17 1 680 239* 42.50 61.15 2 2 6 - WA DJ Thornely 11 21 2 801 138 42.15 51.84 2 2 11 - NSW IR Bell 6 11 0 463 132 42.09 44.64 1 4 5 - ENG N Jewell 10 19 1 742 112 41.22 45.24 2 5 11 - VIC JD Borgas 5 10 0 408 95 40.80 37.91 - 4 7 - SOA SA Deitz 11 21 4 689 100* 40.52 54.20 1 5 23 5 SOA SG Clingeleffer 8 12 4 319 107 39.87 37.75 1 - 23 - TAS CL White 7 12 1 437 150* 39.72 51.90 1 2 6 - VIC Last edited by Rachael : 26-04-2007 at 07:53 AM. |
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26-04-2007, 10:57 PM
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| You might want to filter the averages you provided Racheal, I think you will find the "not outs" skewed your figures a bit. As according to what you have provided Mitchell Johnson is the 7th best batsman in Australia including the test team incumbents MG Johnson 3 5 3 118 54 59.00 58.12 - 1 1 - QLD As was said previously if you look beyond the stats in the 06/07 season where Cameron was at times not available for Victorian selection due to national team commitments. And his home grounds in Victoria are a lot more bowler friendly than batter friendly. The length of the 4th ashes test can help attest to that. |
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| Out of interest who do we all agree on so far ? |
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| In the One day side White would be playing but in a four or five day senerio he does not make the cut yet. I would like to see your team Rachael. Bracken has only played 5 tests in his career and the last one was against South Africa at Perth in 2005. The funny thing is that he is in my opinion he is up with the best quicks in the world in ODI's probably second only to Bond. Also Shane Watson has to be in the side as well. Bracken ODI: 66 matches, 111 wickets at 21.25, Econ 4.33, Sr 29.43 These are the two teams that we so far have selected even though I would like to get more opinions. Players in red have been chosen by both myself and Acker My (changed) Team Chris Rogers Phil Jaques David Hussey Marcus North Adam Voges Brad Haddin (c) (wk) Shane Watson Mitchell Johnson Nathan Bracken Shaun Tait Ben Hilfenhaus 12th man Cameron White Ackers team Chris Rogers (WA) Phil Jaques (NSW) Shane Watson (Qld) deserves a place on batting alone Adam Voges (WA) David Hussey (Vic) Cameron White (Vic) (captain)strike rate gets him over the line Brad Haddin (NSW) (vice captain) Luke Butterworth (Tas) man of the match 2007 Pura Cup final Cullen Bailey (SA) Like Quagmire my thoughts he is a leggie and thats an X factor in his favor. Shaun Tait (SA) Ben Hilfenhaus (Tas) 12th man Mitchell Johnson (Qld)
__________________ Bill Ponsford - The only one who could play in Bradman’s company and make it a duet. Last edited by Quagmire : 27-04-2007 at 02:02 AM. |
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| No spinner Quagmire ? Good argument for that as basically our arguments tend to point to the fact no spinner appears to deserve a spot in the A team. |
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| I think so, maybe next year a pure spinner is able to do something special but at the moment MacGill and Hogg are a mile ahead of the rest. I think that the young spinners are very talented but there are no quality spin bowlers between the ages of 25 and 30.
__________________ Bill Ponsford - The only one who could play in Bradman’s company and make it a duet. |
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| Any finger spinner that can be relied on to shoulder a heavy workload without leaking runs is worthy of a place in the sde: sure, a staggering strike rate would be nice... but what matters most is having a bowler that can get through 25-30 overs with the ball, blocking up one end and giving the guys the other end a chance to build pressure. Heal strikes me as that man: reliable and competent... with is another way of saying mature enough for Test cricket. Rogers Jaques D. Hussey Voges ? Haddin MacDonald Johnson Heal Hilfenhaus Bracken I don't see a choice about the players in bold: they are automatic choices IMO (though I'd not be averse to Jaques batting down the order as that's where I think he'd have to bat in Test cricket). Of the rest.. Haddin gets in for his batting, Heal gets in as the most reliable spinner and Bracken gets in as the most under-rated bowler in world cricket. No place for Tait: I don't see him ever cutting it at Test level as I don't see him ever cutting out the dross. MacDonald appears (as Quagmire noted) more deserving than White if it's a straight bun-fight between the two of them. I guess it's then Thornley / North for the other spot, but I'm open to pursuasion. |
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| Tait is still young and his job has been to bowl fast and don't worry about anything, very similar to Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar, when he reaches 27 to 30 he will be a far better bowler. He has shown his ability to get wickets with pure pace and that’s a hard thing to find. Its your opinion and your entitled to it. What about Shane Watson? He qualifies for the Australia A side. I can't really say anything negative or positive about Heal because I have not seen him bowl
__________________ Bill Ponsford - The only one who could play in Bradman’s company and make it a duet. |
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| I vote with Quagmire no spinner, thier just is'nt one worthy of selection and it would be wrong just to hand one a cap in the side just because we needed a spinner; we would be better off picking White as a batsmen and letting him spin if needed. An extra pace spot is far more worthy, I will drop off Butterworth and go with a Bracken Tait Johnson Hillfenhaus pace attack assisted partially by Watson allready in the team as a batsman. |
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