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Old 09-03-2008, 02:35 AM in reply to Andy Mellon's post starting "The call on Siddle and Cameron is..."
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I'm happy to if Aurelius, Rach, Quagmire, Seamer and possibly Paoli/Beny and co are OK with it.
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You're welcome to it.

Just seen that Ryan Broad has lifted his season average to 35+ with scores of 75 and 107, solidifying his position in my eyes. None too soon either.

As to the question of Siddle and Cameron, I'd be more inclined to include Siddle, as his injury has to be taken into account. But if Cameron wasn't injured, then he in fact has been one of NSW's second change bowlers for the season, so I'd personally be a little reluctant to include him.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:44 AM in reply to Andy Mellon's post starting "The call on Siddle and Cameron is..."
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The call on Siddle and Cameron is entirely up to the Chairman of Selectors. Personally, I'd say neither are eligible, but if they have greater claims than the alternatives, then they may be worth considering. As regards Siddle, I think there are other players available who can make the squad.
I'm with you on the eligibility criteria... especially given this:
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Actually, the pace bowling is in reasonably good shape. Magoffin's been a very consistent and economical bowler for a number of seasons, and would be a good replacement for Stuart Clark if needed. Bollinger's had a phenomonal season too, and Hilfenhaus has actually ended pretty strongly. Another pace option might be Ben Edmonson, who can be a little expensive but has been a big wicket-taker for years now, and a very good one-day bowler.
I'd like to see some evidence (match reports, stats) to back up the claim that Hilfenhaus started the season poorly but ended looking a lot better... but that's no suggesting preferential treatment - each player's season needs to be looked at quite closely for evidence of unrepresentative end-of-season figures.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:45 AM in reply to Aurelius's post starting "You're welcome to it. Just seen that..."
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You're welcome to it.

Just seen that Ryan Broad has lifted his season average to 35+ with scores of 75 and 107, solidifying his position in my eyes. None too soon either.

As to the question of Siddle and Cameron, I'd be more inclined to include Siddle, as his injury has to be taken into account. But if Cameron wasn't injured, then he in fact has been one of NSW's second change bowlers for the season, so I'd personally be a little reluctant to include him.
I noted Broad, plus noted Cullen also picked up a 4 for, which I do not know was attained before or after those bowling figures I posted the other day (worth revisiting that)

As for the Siddle and Cameron scenario.

My personal veiw is that if either or both of them play it takes them to 5 games.

They are only getting the opportinity to play because both their teams made the final.

If they were in another team that did not make the final, 5 games out of the 10 match schedule would make them eligiable.

If both or either play in the final they will have had played 5 games.

My personal veiw is if either or both get to 5 games and taking into consideration that their respective teams have both earned their right to get in the final. They deserve to be included in the selection process for the A-Team pending their participation in the final.

My main reasoning is that there are going to be other players who played 5 pura cup games this season in teams weaker than Camerons and Siddles that will still be eligiable for selection.

I am willing as long as they play the 5th game give them the benefit of doubt and include them.

I call for more experienced A-Team selectors Andy, Rach, Quag, etc for your veiws.

As far as the two individuals are concerned so far to my knowledge Cameron bowled well in NSW's victory against SA but is not garunteed a spot in the Pura Cup final why I am not to sure but will endevour to find out, first suspicion is that NSW only have to play for a draw and they will load up with B.Lee, S.Clark or N.Bracken of whom one will more than likely be available.

As for Siddle please read the following that I grabbed from the Melbourne Sun newspaper.

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VICTORIAN paceman Peter Siddle will play in pain in next week's Pura Cup final before having a full shoulder reconstruction.
The exciting 23-year-old, restricted to only four major games this summer, says he has no option but to have more surgery after the most frustrating weeks of his career.
"I was keen to play this weekend and certainly want to play in the final," he said.
Siddle said he did not know how many full-strength overs he would be able to bowl, but he remained the wildcard for the Victorians, who hope to win their first major title since 2003-04.
"It was more a body management issue with Sidds and Shane Harwood (who is also resting this weekend)," coach Greg Shipperd said.
"Had the final been starting today and not this time next week, both would be playing."
Siddle broke down during a match in Sydney three weeks ago, ending his hopes of gaining selection on either of Australia's two winter campaigns, against Pakistan and the West Indies.
"It's what I want to do (play Test cricket), so I have to get the shoulder right and my body nice and resilient again," Siddle said.
"If it means having a full shoulder reco, well that's just what I'll have to do."
Shipperd said he regarded Siddle as the brightest young star outside the Australian squad and, earlier this summer before his breakdown, predicted he would become Australia's 400th Test player.
"He has taken three five-fors this year and bowled seriously well," Shipperd said.
Siddle has taken 24 wickets in four games this summer and is considered a key member of Victoria's best team.

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Old 09-03-2008, 06:33 PM in reply to Andy Mellon's post starting "The call on Siddle and Cameron is..."
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The call on Siddle and Cameron is entirely up to the Chairman of Selectors. Personally, I'd say neither are eligible, but if they have greater claims than the alternatives, then they may be worth considering. As regards Siddle, I think there are other players available who can make the squad, but I'm not so sure about Cameron. If he has a successful appearence in the final, I think he should be considered as although he would have played less than half the available games, he would have excelled in the key game of the season.
This is my opinion on the issue. The final is the toughest game of cricket in the domestic calendar, a five dayer where everyone's skills are put on the block. If they succeed, then I think they should get a chance in the WAT A Team, but we'll see - but that's just my opinion.

Interestingly, I see Ryan Broad plays for Wynnum-Manly in Brisbane. I'm going to be visiting the Wynnum-Manly home ground during the last weekend of March, so I will ask around; see what the locals can tell me about him. By the way, if anyone is around in Brisbane between the 26th and 31st of March, drop me a line and we can meet up for a drink and a yarn.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:30 PM in reply to Andy Mellon's post starting "This is my opinion on the issue. The..."
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Lightly off topic Wynnam-Manly is on the Sunshine Coast side of town up there, Alexandria Headland and Mooloolaba are nice beach spots to get wrecked and usualy have fairly handy standby rates on high rise accomodation.

Over the weekend along with Ryan Broad, Luke Pomersbach and Luke Ronchi were among the runs and as I mentioned Dan Cullen made a welcome return among the wickets, Beau Casson did as well.

Also of note Shane Watson go's up for an IPL second round auction today, Pomersbach and Voges have put in expressions of interest with the IPL, White was bought in the first round for USD$500 thousand.
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Broad had a STORMING game on what looked to be a difficult pitch. No other Queenslander got going, but he score a good 70 and a backs-against-the-wall hundy. Certainly puts him higher up in my estimations.

EDIT: And cheers for the tips on the area, Acker.
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I'd like to see some evidence (match reports, stats) to back up the claim that Hilfenhaus started the season poorly but ended looking a lot better...
From his first four matches he conceded 591 runs for 9 wickets at an average of 65, so to finish with 27-28 wickets from nine at an average of 45 seems to me to be a pretty good late-season effort. I don't think that's enough to get him into the squad for this season, but despite that I still think he's a very good shot at representing Australia someday.
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As far as the two individuals are concerned so far to my knowledge Cameron bowled well in NSW's victory against SA but is not garunteed a spot in the Pura Cup final why I am not to sure but will endevour to find out, first suspicion is that NSW only have to play for a draw and they will load up with B.Lee, S.Clark or N.Bracken of whom one will more than likely be available.
Well Cameron's been named in the squad, along with a bowling lineup of Stuart Clark, Brett Lee, Nathan Bracken and Stuart MacGill, but I suspect that Beau Casson's going to sneak in there as well. So it's looking like Cameron won't be eligible for selection.
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Well Cameron's been named in the squad, along with a bowling lineup of Stuart Clark, Brett Lee, Nathan Bracken and Stuart MacGill, but I suspect that Beau Casson's going to sneak in there as well. So it's looking like Cameron won't be eligible for selection.
It will be a nervous wait for Beau Casson considering Michael Clarke is also coming back into the squad.

I feel sorry for the 4 players who will be making way for the return of the ACB contracted players.

White, McKay, McDonald, and Siddle definitely have an excellent opportunity to impress the 2008 A-Team selectors as they will be playing against possibly over half the next Australian test team in a cut throat final situation at the SCG.

Likely line ups for the Pura Cup final likely starters I have in blue and eligiable A-Team players in red.

Starting 15th March 2008 at the Sydney Cricket Ground

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New South Wales squad Phil Jaques, Phillip Hughes, Simon Katich (capt), Michael Clarke, Dominic Thornely, Brad Haddin (wk), Beau Casson, Brett Lee, Nathan Bracken, Stuart Clark, Stuart MacGill
Victoria likely squad : Jewell, Quiney, Hodge, D.Hussey, White (capt), McDonald, Siddle, Crossthwaite, McKay, McGain, Nannes

*note : Crossthwaite has not reached the minimum of games and Siddle and Cameron's inclusion is pending on them playing in this match. Jaques and Clarke have both played over 6 tests each thus ineligiable.
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