England A tour of Bangladesh Bangladesh Cricket Board Academy v England A

[Rachael]

Promoting Kirtley makes sense: he remains, to my mind, the best ODI prospect in the country... and a player that should have been in the World Cup squad (in place of Mahmood).

Getting back to the match...

England A 2nd innings					R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
MA Carberry	retired hurt				100	253	187	15	0	53.47
MH Yardy	c Suhrawadi Shuvo b Mosharraf Hossain	21	113	76	0	1	27.63
SM Davies	c Jahurul Islam b Junaid Siddique	67	128	102	8	0	65.68
AGR Loudon	not out					8	39	26	1	0	30.76
A Rashid	lbw b Mosharraf Hossain			5	16	17	0	0	29.41
TT Bresnan	not out					8	8	6	2	0	133.33
    Extras	(b 9, lb 1, w 1, nb 6)	17					
								
	    Total	(3 wickets dec; 68 overs)	226					

Bangladesh Cricket Board Academy 2nd innings (target: 228 runs)
	    Total	(5 wickets; 20 overs)		56					

Bowling		O	M	R	W	Econ	
SCJ Broad	5	1	15	1	3.00	
G Onions	7	0	30	3	4.28	
TC Smith	5	3	3	1	0.60	(1nb)
A Rashid	3	1	8	0	2.66

[pie_chucker]

Its a massive backwards step picking Kirtley, he's over 30 is now just a trundler and has a suspect action aarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!!! There must be plenty of young bowlers who could have benefitted from an "A" tour.

Why pick someone who barring serious accident will never play for England again.

[darksideofthemoon]

Kirtley is 32. I would prefer Broad who is 20 and baring injuries has another 15 years.

Kirtley 11 ODIs 9 wickets average 53.44 econ 5.25 s/r 61.00

Broad 5 ODIs 5 wickets average 37.00 econ 518 s/r 42.80

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by darksideofthemoon

Kirtley 11 ODIs 9 wickets average 53.44 econ 5.25 s/r 61.00

2006 List A Best Bowling Averages

Name                Mat    O      M     R   W    Ave  Best  4w 5w    SR  Econ Team

RJ Kirtley           18  130     14   597   32  18.65  5-27   -  2  24.3  4.59 SUSSEX
TC Smith             11   71.2    8   290   13  22.30  3-8    -  -  32.9  4.06 LANCS
D Gough              13   79.5    5   365   14  26.07  4-39   1  -  34.2  4.57 ESSEX/ENG
SCJ Broad            11   81      6   457   10  45.70  3-57   -  -  48.6  5.64 LEICS/ENG

[pie_chucker]

No offence Rachael, but you cant judge players ability on the first class game in England. IMO that is Duncan Fletchers great strength, he recognises talent not the averages players get in the CC or Domestic one day games. The fact is Kirtleys ODI record is poor which to me is a far better indicator of talent than domestic one day cricket.

Ray Illingworth tried picking players based on CC performances and look what happened!

Picking Kirtley is a nothing move. He wont play for Engalnd again, the likes of Broad may.

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by pie_chucker

No offence Rachael, but you cant judge players ability on the first class game in England.

The national side should only exist for the players who perform at county level: Fletcher's problem is that he thinks winning at international level is more important than giving the most honest county performers a shot at glory.

Fletcher (and every other international coach) should be given the guys who earn a shot at glory through what they do in 1st class cricket: if that results in players with obvious interntational pedigree or potential missing out then the latter should pull their finger out and start showing what counts at a "lower" level.

[darksideofthemoon]

I like the idea of coaches putting players with potential forward for the Academy at a young age where their character and attitude can be assessed. They can work with top quality coaches and get to tour overseas. How many county players would get to play in the West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Australia, India etc. Straight from county cricket into international cricket with the expectations and pressures is not what every good county player will be able to handle.

[pie_chucker]

Rachael, If domestic our first class cricket was like it is in aus, then yes, you could choose players on domestic form. But with pitch "doctoring", joke declarations etc CC performances cannot be taken seriously, even the great Shane Warne didnt have a particualry good domestic record in Aus.

Even the likes of David Gower could barely be bothered with the CC. Great players raise their game in big games, its hard to raise your game playing "joke" cricket in front of 2 men and thier dog.

As I've said we have tried picking honest players under the likes of Illy and to a lesser extent Dexter. All that did was take us down, make us a laughing stock and change half of our team every match beacuse a few other players had hit "form".