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Bresnan this season though is now averaging 59 after todays hundred and with him only being 22 he could have now become the all rounder that he always promised to be.He now has 2 hundreds this season so he is becoming a more solid batsman.
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Old 14-07-2007, 11:16 AM in reply to greg's post starting "Bresnan this season though is now..."
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Indians 1st innings R M B 4s 6s SR 
 KD Karthik c Ambrose b Broad 5 0 12 1 0 41.66 
 W Jaffer lbw b Onions 1 0 7 0 0 14.28 
 VVS Laxman c Ambrose b Onions 0 0 3 0 0 0.00 
 SR Tendulkar not out 8 0 8 1 0 100.00 
 SC Ganguly not out 0 0 1 0 0 0.00 
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     Total (3 wickets; 5.2 overs) 14 (2.62 runs per over) 


To bat Yuvraj Singh, MS Dhoni, RR Powar, Z Khan, S Sreesanth, I Sharma  


Fall of wickets1-2 (Jaffer, 1.2 ov), 2-2 (Laxman, 1.5 ov), 3-14 (Karthik, 4.5 ov) 


        
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  SCJ Broad 3 1 6 1 2.00  
  G Onions 2.1 0 8 2 3.69
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Old 14-07-2007, 02:39 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "Indians 1st innings R M B 4s 6s SR KD..."
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Tendulkar and Yuvraj Singh have just taken the attack to Rashid:
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37.6 Rashid to Tendulkar, SIX, Tendulkar goes down town. Charges down the track and lofts straight over the bowler's head.  
37.5 Rashid to Tendulkar, FOUR, pushed through flatter and fuller, Tendulkar backed away to the leg side, as if he is going to cut it, saw the full length and instead, flat-batted it through extra cover!  
37.4 Rashid to Tendulkar, FOUR, leans forward to drive a full toss inside-out to the cover boundary  
37.3 Rashid to Yuvraj Singh, 1 run, Rashid drops this shorter and Yuvraj pulls it to deep midwicket  
37.2 Rashid to Yuvraj Singh, FOUR, takes a step or two down the track to reach the pitch and drives through cover. Game on.  
37.1 Rashid to Yuvraj Singh, no run, lands on the rough well outside off stump and spins back in. Yuvraj stretches his front leg right acroos and pads it away. Rashid appeals but ....
From that commentary it's hard to judge mutch... but it sounds like a classic case of batsmen doing exactly what the leggie wants: over-commiting. The third ball was a bit short.. but perhaps in anticipation of a charge down the wicket... and there's no excuse bar inexperience for over-compensating with a full toss... but it reads as if Rashid varied things nicely on the penultimate ball (that went for four) and did nothing wrong with the final ball (that went for six).

Question is.... why on earth Strauss took him off: surely, with a HUGE total on the board... and no real chance of a wicket from anywhere else... the answer is to persist for the rest of the session, see how the youngster reacts and at the very least try and BUY a wicket!

These games are supposed to be for the development of players: how's that achieved by whipping the leggie off just as the battle gets going!

Edit: this is getting REALLY silly - Rashid delivers a decent over.... with his googly exposing a clueless gloveman (4 runs)... gets an edge over first slip (4 runs).. and gets taken out of the attack as if he's somehow not delivering!

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Old 14-07-2007, 10:46 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "Tendulkar and Yuvraj Singh have just..."
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Edit: this is getting REALLY silly - Rashid delivers a decent over.... with his googly exposing a clueless gloveman (4 runs)... gets an edge over first slip (4 runs).. and gets taken out of the attack as if he's somehow not delivering!
With respect Rachael - Strauss was right to take Rashid out of the attack, I can't see a good reason why he should have been given another delivery, let alone an over.

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This is why Strauss took him out of the attack, going for almost 8 an over without taking a wicket.

What this shows is that Rashid is not yet ready to face the likes of Tendulkar, more games like this and Rashid's confidence will be bashed like Schofield's before him.
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Old 14-07-2007, 11:34 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "Tendulkar and Yuvraj Singh have just..."
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Question is.... why on earth Strauss took him off: surely, with a HUGE total on the board... and no real chance of a wicket from anywhere else... the answer is to persist for the rest of the session, see how the youngster reacts and at the very least try and BUY a wicket!
'Fraid I agree with Ern here Rach. While yes, it's only a "practice" match in a sense, both teams have got to go out there with a "win at all costs" attitude. If the captain lets a bowler stay on when he's consistantly conceding bucket-fulls of runs, then he is either blind, mad or stupid. For starters, it doesn't matter how many runs are on the board: they would have been knocked off, and quick, had Rashid stayed on. Thankfully Strauss, IMO, saw sense.

It's all well and good bowling decent deliveries, but when luck is against you you're fighting a losing battle. And unfortunately it was young Rashid's turn to learn that lesson.
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Old 15-07-2007, 07:19 AM in reply to adamberry's post starting "'Fraid I agree with Ern here Rach...."
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I'm as keen as anyone on tight, economical bowling... and will take the kid who puts the ball in the right place every time over the kid who mixes miracle balls and dross every time.... but if the bowler is actually getting the ball in the right area, and runs are coming because the googly beat the 'keeper, the mis-judged shot sliced over 1st slip and the genius the other end was actualy good enough to manage a back foot drive to a fst, full delivery despite shaping to cut a short, flighted delivery... I'd say the bowler is doing little wrong. Same goes with the batsman coming down the pitch and lofting the ball over the boundary: if the ball was exactly where the captain wanted it... doing exactly what the captain wanted it to do... you have to say "good shot, now do it again" and back your spinner to get one past the bat (or skewing off the face / edge) before the total rockets.

Sadly, a generation of county captains has included hardly ANY captain who has tried to develop spin as an attacking option: Warne stood out at Hampshire for consistently backing Udal when folk took the attack to him... and it paid off... but most only play the spinner in a negative role for so long as the batsmen don't advance down the pitch - which is pointless!

Reports on the match are sketchy... and mostly dominated by reports on Tendulkar's batting... but the BC did note that he "did not bowl as badly as his figures suggested".

Last but not least, Warne is the exception to the rule: leg spin has always been regarded as an expensive craft best suited to teams who post big totals and for use of flat pitches where they can be used to "buy" wickets. That's why it's classically associated (since long before Warne) with Australia (a notorious graveyard for finger-spinners). With no realistic danger of losing the match.... Strauss could easily have justified backing Rashid and seeing what happened.... and as academy director I'd have been having a forceful word to that effect last night - kids need to bowl their way through canings, not wrapping in cotton wool!

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Strauss could easily have justified backing Rashid and seeing what happened....
And watched him end up with 20 0 200 0 and his confidence ruined!

It doesnt matter how well he has been percieved to have bowled if he's going at over 8 an over for a long spell he isnt causing the batsman too many problems, even if you take into account the odd false shot.

Regarding Tendulkar coming down the pitch, its something he does well to spinners and very very rarely gets stumped, so if he's doing that the spinner has lost the battle and its time for a change.
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Old 15-07-2007, 10:01 AM in reply to pie_chucker's post starting "And watched him end up with 20 0 200 0..."
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And watched him end up with 20 0 200 0 and his confidence ruined!
What ruins confidence quicker.. a battle with a genuinely great batsman... or the knowledge that your captain will not even trust you to fight (and try and win) that battle?

It's not as if the captian had anything to lose...

Commentators often wonder why spinners rarely develop into major attacking forces in this country: this is why!
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Old 15-07-2007, 10:36 AM in reply to Rachael's post starting "What ruins confidence quicker.. a..."
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Broad bags a 5 wicket haul...

Broad has just bagged Dhoni to rack up a 5 wicket haul.
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4.5 Broad to Karthik, OUT, Broad takes out Karthik and Indians are in complete disarray. Karthik doesn't look too pleased with the decision. It landed on a length, on the off and middle and shaped away. Karthik was sucked in to the forward prod and was turned inside-out by the away movement. It must have been a very thin nick . There was a certainly a sound. Was it the ball on wood or bat on pad? 14 for 3. Enter Sourav Ganguly.  
 KD Karthik c Ambrose b Broad 5 (0m 12b 1x4 0x6) SR: 41.66  
Indians 14/3   SR Tendulkar 8* (7b 1x4)   SCJ Broad 2.5-0-6-1 
 
56.6 Broad to Yuvraj Singh, OUT, Yuvraj's patience runs out. Broad went wide of the crease and hurled a sucker ball - full and well outside the off stump. Yuvraj went for a drive and edged it straight to first and the only slip. He had been so patient so far, leaving quite a few deliveries outside off stump but he is gone now.  
 Yuvraj Singh c Strauss b Broad 59 (0m 106b 8x4 0x6) SR: 55.66  
Indians 205/5   SR Tendulkar 114* (177b 15x4 1x6)   SCJ Broad 12-2-37-2 
 
84.4 Broad to Khan, OUT, short of a good length outside off, Zaheer slashes at it too early, ends up getting a thick edge through to Ambrose. Not a particularly good delivery but Broad will take it. Zaheer just lost his concentration  
 Z Khan c Ambrose b Broad 28 (0m 23b 5x4 1x6) SR: 121.73  
Indians 361/8   MS Dhoni 55* (74b 5x4)   SCJ Broad 18.4-2-66-3 
 
84.6 Broad to Sreesanth, OUT, short and cutting in after pitching, Sreesanth shapes to defend on the backfoot, opens the face of the bat in the lastr second and the ball gets the outside edge through to Shah at third slip  
 S Sreesanth c Shah b Broad 0 (0m 2b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00  
Indians 361/9   MS Dhoni 55* (74b 5x4)   SCJ Broad 19-2-66-4 
 
86.4 Broad to Dhoni, OUT, chopped it on and that's a five-for for young Chris! outside off, Dhoni stays rooted to the crease and tries another swat past the bowler, gets a thick inside edge onto his stumps, the off stump goes back a couple of yards  
 MS Dhoni b Broad 76 (0m 84b 7x4 2x6) SR: 90.47  
Indians 383/10   I Sharma 0* (1b)   SCJ Broad 19.4-2-76-5

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I'm as keen as anyone on tight, economical bowling... and will take the kid who puts the ball in the right place every time over the kid who mixes miracle balls and dross every time.... but if the bowler is actually getting the ball in the right area, and runs are coming because the googly beat the 'keeper, the mis-judged shot sliced over 1st slip and the genius the other end was actualy good enough to manage a back foot drive to a fst, full delivery despite shaping to cut a short, flighted delivery... I'd say the bowler is doing little wrong. Same goes with the batsman coming down the pitch and lofting the ball over the boundary: if the ball was exactly where the captain wanted it... doing exactly what the captain wanted it to do... you have to say "good shot, now do it again" and back your spinner to get one past the bat (or skewing off the face / edge) before the total rockets.

Sadly, a generation of county captains has included hardly ANY captain who has tried to develop spin as an attacking option: Warne stood out at Hampshire for consistently backing Udal when folk took the attack to him... and it paid off... but most only play the spinner in a negative role for so long as the batsmen don't advance down the pitch - which is pointless!

Reports on the match are sketchy... and mostly dominated by reports on Tendulkar's batting... but the BC did note that he "did not bowl as badly as his figures suggested".

Last but not least, Warne is the exception to the rule: leg spin has always been regarded as an expensive craft best suited to teams who post big totals and for use of flat pitches where they can be used to "buy" wickets. That's why it's classically associated (since long before Warne) with Australia (a notorious graveyard for finger-spinners). With no realistic danger of losing the match.... Strauss could easily have justified backing Rashid and seeing what happened.... and as academy director I'd have been having a forceful word to that effect last night - kids need to bowl their way through canings, not wrapping in cotton wool!
I cant really believe what I am reading. Rachael are you not the same person that constantly insults Harmison for bowling full tosses and long hops. Now it seems you have changed your tune because it concerns one of your favorite players. You ridiculously point out all the false shots which brought runs, since you have so much time on your hand, maybe you should point out all the good shots that were hit straight to the fielder or saved by the fielder . I am sure you will find that they exceed the false shots by far. No captain in his right mind (except Hansie of course ) would have continued to bowl him.

I think that if you argued on the point of Rashid having a bad day, it would not have looked so silly and people might actually have believed you. As far as your arguments defending him here are concerned, well, I cant describe them as then Ern would have to ban me.

I dont dispute the fact that this kid has potential. Rachael, you should stop your double standards in your posting. It gives you less credibility.
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