Sean Ervine: England or Australia

[Doink]

Which team do you think should Ervine settle for? It would ofcourse be between ENG or AUS but I'd really like to see him back in ZIM colours...what say?

[Spinner]

Although I'm an England supporter, I'd say Zimbabwe - they have less choice of class players at the moment than England do. Failing Zimbabwe, I'd of course say England.

[The Phantom Ram]

I know he is still young but would he get in the England side? Only averaged 29 with the bat this season.

[butchering lee]

is he possibly just an"egocentric prick??".

he says he's wondering "which test team to play for - england or australia" (the two best teams in the world) he should have just stuck to "my ambition is to play international cricket again".


that's just a little dig - but in fact i've always felt he would go far. i am put off him at the moment on reading that he's ruled out a return to zim. - but that's my own selfish wish that zim return to a decent side.

as an edit: - if he doesn't return to zim i care little what he does with his career. i very quickly stop lamenting those who've chosen to go. hope price comes back tho'

[butchering lee]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Ram

I know he is still young but would he get in the England side? Only averaged 29 with the bat this season.

the thing is he went from strength to strength. he was promoted in the bowling (under warne) and then in the batting and has done a much better job at 2 or 3. he also just scored back to back hundreds in the semi's and finals of the counties 1 day tournament (gcse or something). he had a better 2nd 1/2 to the season i think.

[Doink]

He's talented no doubt but I dont think he should have said he's considering both ENG and AUS...that shows he's only concerned about his cricket and has absolutely no sense of loyalty to any team or should we say nation...look at Pietersen, even he did leave SAF to play int'l cricket but he now proudly says he's English and has no regrets about leaving his birthplace..

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Doink

.look at Pietersen, even he did leave SAF to play int'l cricket

His mother's English, completely different case - he didn't shop around for the best available country to pledge his allegiance to.. not that I object to shopping around, but it is rather mercenary.

Ervine would have a hard time playing for either England or Australia - he is young, but by the time he gets qualified legally to represent either, he would be around 28; generally considered too old for ODI and Test debuts unless its an exceptional case (eg Gilchrist being kept out by Healy). By that time, I reckon there will be many younger Englishmen and Australians who will be thought to have greater potential and so the national coaches would prefer to invest in them as opposed to a near-30 with only a few years left on the clock. He should stick to Zimbabwe....

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by M

His mother's English

Ervine's girl friend is Australian.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Zainub

Ervine's girl friend is Australian.

A parent is generally more relevant though, many obvious reasons for this, for instance:
{a} no country commences naturalisation procedures because one happens to be dating some citizen of that country,
{b} biologically speaking, girlfriends or spouses have limited impact on an individual's genetic make-up, unlike parents, and
{c} A person's 'real' mother is unique through his/her entire life-span; a person can only have one mother. On the other hand, theoretically, the boyfriend/girlfriend count is infinite, and is seldom one or even a few.

Some of the above would no longer be relevant if the girlfriend became a spouse, in particular the legal point.

[stone bird]

ervine will be 25-26 when qualified to play for australia or england.

england have an all rounder --> flintoff

australia have watson and possibly moises henriques to come through...maybe australia would be his best bet...new zealand should have been an option...paul strang does ok in the land of the sheep!